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	<title>Comments on: Little Miss Jocelyn &#8211; A Little Bit Shit</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough Maz, you&#039;re entitled to your opinion. As are we all. But why is it that when someone says a comedian / musician whom we happen to like is a little bit shit that we take it so personally? Isn&#039;t it part of life&#039;s rich tapestry that one man&#039;s trash is another man&#039;s treasure?

I do, however, still question the slot on BBC2 for LMJ, however, as I don&#039;t see it as a show with mainstream appeal - BBC 3 would seem the ideal venue for such a show.

And, though you forgot my name, you only have to read some of the other things I have written, or look at one of our myriad websites to know that I also have a crazy/stupid sense of humour. I just fail to find many of LMJs characters funny.

But this is just an opinion: I don&#039;t think any less of you because you enjoy the show, nor do I expect you to think the less of me because I don&#039;t. It&#039;s just that this show is, for me, a little bit shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough Maz, you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion. As are we all. But why is it that when someone says a comedian / musician whom we happen to like is a little bit shit that we take it so personally? Isn&#8217;t it part of life&#8217;s rich tapestry that one man&#8217;s trash is another man&#8217;s treasure?</p>
<p>I do, however, still question the slot on BBC2 for LMJ, however, as I don&#8217;t see it as a show with mainstream appeal &#8211; BBC 3 would seem the ideal venue for such a show.</p>
<p>And, though you forgot my name, you only have to read some of the other things I have written, or look at one of our myriad websites to know that I also have a crazy/stupid sense of humour. I just fail to find many of LMJs characters funny.</p>
<p>But this is just an opinion: I don&#8217;t think any less of you because you enjoy the show, nor do I expect you to think the less of me because I don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s just that this show is, for me, a little bit shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Maz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion LMJ is a really funny show.I think its goood and it isnt boring at all. The fact that lots of the sketches are so stupid its funny. If you are a serious person with not a very good sense of humour then your not going to find it funny, but to watch this show you have to just relax and not take any of the sketches seriously it is a comedy after all! I dont find it at all racist compared to some of the things people say and do to other races these days to me it is just a bit of fun. I think most people fail to realise that a lot of comedys are racist but many people still watch them and find the comments amusing. So pleaase guys, just stop hating on LMJ she rocks. And to the author (forgot your name) you dont have to live in london to find the show funny cos i dont live in london and i find it funny, no offence but i thought your little article thing was kinda shit cos you made a few stupid comments lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion LMJ is a really funny show.I think its goood and it isnt boring at all. The fact that lots of the sketches are so stupid its funny. If you are a serious person with not a very good sense of humour then your not going to find it funny, but to watch this show you have to just relax and not take any of the sketches seriously it is a comedy after all! I dont find it at all racist compared to some of the things people say and do to other races these days to me it is just a bit of fun. I think most people fail to realise that a lot of comedys are racist but many people still watch them and find the comments amusing. So pleaase guys, just stop hating on LMJ she rocks. And to the author (forgot your name) you dont have to live in london to find the show funny cos i dont live in london and i find it funny, no offence but i thought your little article thing was kinda shit cos you made a few stupid comments lol.</p>
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		<title>By: From Nigeria</title>
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		<dc:creator>From Nigeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMJ is very funny! You guys need to get a life or simply don&#039;t watch shows that do not appeal to you. 

Have you ever heard of a target market? No? They are the people that a product is targeted at. E.g, I don&#039;t buy porn and doubt seriously if I ever will. However, there are people that keep up with that sort of stuff and stack up dvds. Rather than spending my energy going on about porn, I will simply avoid it and go with what I like. 

LMJ, dey do your thing jare! Nothing do you. Dem wey no sabi no sabi. No be everybody go happy. Nothing dey happen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMJ is very funny! You guys need to get a life or simply don&#8217;t watch shows that do not appeal to you. </p>
<p>Have you ever heard of a target market? No? They are the people that a product is targeted at. E.g, I don&#8217;t buy porn and doubt seriously if I ever will. However, there are people that keep up with that sort of stuff and stack up dvds. Rather than spending my energy going on about porn, I will simply avoid it and go with what I like. </p>
<p>LMJ, dey do your thing jare! Nothing do you. Dem wey no sabi no sabi. No be everybody go happy. Nothing dey happen!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC, BRITISH BROADCASTING, WHO CARES ABOUT BRITISH BROADCASTING, MY KIDS ARE BEING BRAINWASHED BY SEEING WHITE TV ALL DAY EVERYDAY, WHATS THE BIG DEAL WITH THEM SEING 30 MINS OF BLACK TV, BRITISH BROADCASTING IS OBVOUISLY GREAT FOR SOME BUT NOT ME, I PREFER BET EVEN MTV BASE IS RUBBISH NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC, BRITISH BROADCASTING, WHO CARES ABOUT BRITISH BROADCASTING, MY KIDS ARE BEING BRAINWASHED BY SEEING WHITE TV ALL DAY EVERYDAY, WHATS THE BIG DEAL WITH THEM SEING 30 MINS OF BLACK TV, BRITISH BROADCASTING IS OBVOUISLY GREAT FOR SOME BUT NOT ME, I PREFER BET EVEN MTV BASE IS RUBBISH NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this about race, Sarah? Being shite at comedy hardly has anything to do with the colour of your skin, your hair colour, or the colour of anything for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this about race, Sarah? Being shite at comedy hardly has anything to do with the colour of your skin, your hair colour, or the colour of anything for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May i add 1 more thing...
Tuesday, 7 May, 2002, 12:10 GMT 13:10 UK 
Why do people find racist jokes funny?

 
Alf Garnett was meant to expose racism. But many said they identified with him

Ann Winterton is not the first person to fall foul of telling racist jokes. But for good or bad, race is one subject of which joke-tellers never tire. Why is this? 
Ann Winterton&#039;s joke wasn&#039;t funny. Even Bernard Manning admits that. 

In telling a racist gag in an after-dinner speech, she committed an act of professional suicide which saw her sacked from the shadow cabinet. 

The &quot;joke&quot; - in case you haven&#039;t heard it - was that there was an Englishman, a Cuban, a Japanese man and a Pakistani on a train. The Cuban throws a cigar out of the window, saying they are &quot;ten-a-penny&quot; in his country. The Japanese man throws a Nikon camera out, saying they are ten-a-penny in his country. Then the Englishman throws the Pakistani out the window. 

 
Ann Winterton: After-dinner speech
 
It came a few days after comedian Stan Boardman was vilified for telling a racist gag at a Leeds United dinner, and in the wake of three BNP councillors being elected in Burnley. 

Some have tried to pass off Mrs Winterton&#039;s &quot;joke&quot; as a bit of harmless fun. 

But perhaps the reason the joke may have been funny to some is the exact reason many others find it offensive: to find it funny one would have to actually believe there were too many Pakistanis in England. 



To make him truthful he&#039;s got to say those things, and they are nasty things - but I always feel as a writer that they should be out in the open so we can see how daft these comparisons are 
 
Johnny Speight on why Alf Garnett made racist comments  

To test the logic of this, try telling the joke with &quot;a Swiss man&quot; in the place of the Pakistani. 

In other words, could it be a simple illustration of the old line that there is many a true word spoken in jest - that far from being jokes, racist gags are simply a more &quot;acceptable&quot; way of being racist? 

In 2000, shadow health secretary Dr Liam Fox told this joke to fellow MPs: &quot;What do you call three dogs and a blackbird? The Spice Girls.&quot; Dr Fox apologised but did not have to resign. Could it be that, although an indelicate remark, it is more acceptable because it does not appear to mask a racist attitude? 

 
Bernard Manning: &quot;Never take it seriously&quot;
 
Bernard Manning, who unashamedly proclaims his desire to tell jokes about anyone of whatever nationality, does not agree that jokes are a cover for racism. 

&quot;You never take a joke seriously,&quot; he says. &quot;It&#039;s a joke! There&#039;s no such thing as throwing [people out of the window]. You wouldn&#039;t do that! 

&quot;We have to tell jokes about everything and everyone.&quot; 

I make jokes about Pakistanis because I am Pakistani. I make jokes about Muslims because I am a Muslim. I would never make a joke about black people because I&#039;m not black,&quot; she says. 

&quot;I make jokes about my own culture, because I feel I know about it. No-one knows it better than me.&quot; 

What about the TV program Goodness Gracious Me. That makes fun of white people shouldn&#039;t we be talking about that or is this another one sided argument?

JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May i add 1 more thing&#8230;<br />
Tuesday, 7 May, 2002, 12:10 GMT 13:10 UK<br />
Why do people find racist jokes funny?</p>
<p>Alf Garnett was meant to expose racism. But many said they identified with him</p>
<p>Ann Winterton is not the first person to fall foul of telling racist jokes. But for good or bad, race is one subject of which joke-tellers never tire. Why is this?<br />
Ann Winterton&#8217;s joke wasn&#8217;t funny. Even Bernard Manning admits that. </p>
<p>In telling a racist gag in an after-dinner speech, she committed an act of professional suicide which saw her sacked from the shadow cabinet. </p>
<p>The &#8220;joke&#8221; &#8211; in case you haven&#8217;t heard it &#8211; was that there was an Englishman, a Cuban, a Japanese man and a Pakistani on a train. The Cuban throws a cigar out of the window, saying they are &#8220;ten-a-penny&#8221; in his country. The Japanese man throws a Nikon camera out, saying they are ten-a-penny in his country. Then the Englishman throws the Pakistani out the window. </p>
<p>Ann Winterton: After-dinner speech</p>
<p>It came a few days after comedian Stan Boardman was vilified for telling a racist gag at a Leeds United dinner, and in the wake of three BNP councillors being elected in Burnley. </p>
<p>Some have tried to pass off Mrs Winterton&#8217;s &#8220;joke&#8221; as a bit of harmless fun. </p>
<p>But perhaps the reason the joke may have been funny to some is the exact reason many others find it offensive: to find it funny one would have to actually believe there were too many Pakistanis in England. </p>
<p>To make him truthful he&#8217;s got to say those things, and they are nasty things &#8211; but I always feel as a writer that they should be out in the open so we can see how daft these comparisons are </p>
<p>Johnny Speight on why Alf Garnett made racist comments  </p>
<p>To test the logic of this, try telling the joke with &#8220;a Swiss man&#8221; in the place of the Pakistani. </p>
<p>In other words, could it be a simple illustration of the old line that there is many a true word spoken in jest &#8211; that far from being jokes, racist gags are simply a more &#8220;acceptable&#8221; way of being racist? </p>
<p>In 2000, shadow health secretary Dr Liam Fox told this joke to fellow MPs: &#8220;What do you call three dogs and a blackbird? The Spice Girls.&#8221; Dr Fox apologised but did not have to resign. Could it be that, although an indelicate remark, it is more acceptable because it does not appear to mask a racist attitude? </p>
<p>Bernard Manning: &#8220;Never take it seriously&#8221;</p>
<p>Bernard Manning, who unashamedly proclaims his desire to tell jokes about anyone of whatever nationality, does not agree that jokes are a cover for racism. </p>
<p>&#8220;You never take a joke seriously,&#8221; he says. &#8220;It&#8217;s a joke! There&#8217;s no such thing as throwing [people out of the window]. You wouldn&#8217;t do that! </p>
<p>&#8220;We have to tell jokes about everything and everyone.&#8221; </p>
<p>I make jokes about Pakistanis because I am Pakistani. I make jokes about Muslims because I am a Muslim. I would never make a joke about black people because I&#8217;m not black,&#8221; she says. </p>
<p>&#8220;I make jokes about my own culture, because I feel I know about it. No-one knows it better than me.&#8221; </p>
<p>What about the TV program Goodness Gracious Me. That makes fun of white people shouldn&#8217;t we be talking about that or is this another one sided argument?</p>
<p>JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Thompson</dc:creator>
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		<description>And who cares about stupid Mr Motivator who is a fake black man, (married a white woman) he is no threat. Hes not even really sucsessful. We will never see a black priminister here, thats why im going to America, unless you can name some black millinares who are in the public eye in Britain there is no point. There are millions in America guess why.... eqaul oppurtunities, best man for the job and all that....love it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who cares about stupid Mr Motivator who is a fake black man, (married a white woman) he is no threat. Hes not even really sucsessful. We will never see a black priminister here, thats why im going to America, unless you can name some black millinares who are in the public eye in Britain there is no point. There are millions in America guess why&#8230;. eqaul oppurtunities, best man for the job and all that&#8230;.love it</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scariest part of it is that this Jocelyn bird is actually quite well spoken and reasonably intelligent from the interviews I’ve heard of her. Something doesn’t quite add up  

To the person above, You have looked at LMJ and assumed she must be a dumb black woman, then you have heard ger speak, and she sounds reasonably inteligent! Your not very clever yourself are you. My dad is a comedian, a writer, a musician and many other things, and is highly inteligent and guess what likes LMJ. 
Most people do not understand she is not being racist if she was she would be racist to herself as she mocks africans and jamacians so what sense would it make. This show is not for you people that dont understand. 
I find Little Britain unfunny and racist but thats aired all the time.
There are a million comedians and racist ones at that, that are just not funny at all. 

For the person asking 10 black friends if LMJ is funny, you need to go back to school, in south london, where you will have real black friends who have a sense of humour and would let you understand things, how come all of my white friends and alot of them are in high places like LMJ. 

Anyone who says LMJ angers them should spend more time looking at worst things on TV that brainwash our children, as you guys are obviously racist.

To the person who says bring back Gina Yasheri for your information Gina could not get a contract in this racist country and is now making it big in USA on Comedy Def Jam, where she will make millions and all of you would hate this show as its probably to racist for your ignorant views. This show is aired in Usa as there is more black people over there that enjoy the show. Eddie Murphey started on Def Jam, Richard Prior and many famous people.

As for Felix Dextor, he is so gay and is not your usual black man, yes hes funny, but he is not a threat so you guys would like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scariest part of it is that this Jocelyn bird is actually quite well spoken and reasonably intelligent from the interviews I’ve heard of her. Something doesn’t quite add up  </p>
<p>To the person above, You have looked at LMJ and assumed she must be a dumb black woman, then you have heard ger speak, and she sounds reasonably inteligent! Your not very clever yourself are you. My dad is a comedian, a writer, a musician and many other things, and is highly inteligent and guess what likes LMJ.<br />
Most people do not understand she is not being racist if she was she would be racist to herself as she mocks africans and jamacians so what sense would it make. This show is not for you people that dont understand.<br />
I find Little Britain unfunny and racist but thats aired all the time.<br />
There are a million comedians and racist ones at that, that are just not funny at all. </p>
<p>For the person asking 10 black friends if LMJ is funny, you need to go back to school, in south london, where you will have real black friends who have a sense of humour and would let you understand things, how come all of my white friends and alot of them are in high places like LMJ. </p>
<p>Anyone who says LMJ angers them should spend more time looking at worst things on TV that brainwash our children, as you guys are obviously racist.</p>
<p>To the person who says bring back Gina Yasheri for your information Gina could not get a contract in this racist country and is now making it big in USA on Comedy Def Jam, where she will make millions and all of you would hate this show as its probably to racist for your ignorant views. This show is aired in Usa as there is more black people over there that enjoy the show. Eddie Murphey started on Def Jam, Richard Prior and many famous people.</p>
<p>As for Felix Dextor, he is so gay and is not your usual black man, yes hes funny, but he is not a threat so you guys would like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and as for all the &quot;Cheapskate (sic)&quot; comments: I do now have a television licence, because I have to watch Match of the Day, Countryfile and other stuff that appeals to tight-fisted Yorkshiremen. Though I do find you calling me cheap a racial slur against my kind.

Thrifty is a much better choice of words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and as for all the &#8220;Cheapskate (sic)&#8221; comments: I do now have a television licence, because I have to watch Match of the Day, Countryfile and other stuff that appeals to tight-fisted Yorkshiremen. Though I do find you calling me cheap a racial slur against my kind.</p>
<p>Thrifty is a much better choice of words.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes humour is subjective: &lt;strong&gt;I&lt;/strong&gt; think Little Miss Jocelyn is a little bit shit.

Its fine that you find LMJ hilarious, but surely something this fringe belongs on a fringe channel like BBC 3, not terrestrial television. That&#039;s the point I was making.

Comedy obviously polarises opinion. I find Roy Chubby Brown an obnoxious and unfunny man too, peddling infantile humour but - and this is an important but - he didn&#039;t get a primetime slot on the BBC (even they aren&#039;t &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; out of touch). However, some people obviously do find him funny, otherwise Royston Vasey wouldn&#039;t have a career. Equally so, Little Miss Jocelyn must have a lot of followers: I&#039;m not one of them.

Of course, no-one is really interested in my opinion, and I do have nice things to say, but not about things that I feel have wasted my time: watching a comedy show that isn&#039;t funny (for me) being one of those things.

ITs not an attack on people who do find her funny, or even Jocelyn herself: I&#039;m merely criticising, in the very truest sense of the word, this show.

Given that the BBC is uniquely funded I feel entitled to take  this sort of stance: we all feel we have a right to comment on BBC programming because of the licence fee.

In any case, I won&#039;t shut the fuck up, but thank you for the suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes humour is subjective: <strong>I</strong> think Little Miss Jocelyn is a little bit shit.</p>
<p>Its fine that you find LMJ hilarious, but surely something this fringe belongs on a fringe channel like BBC 3, not terrestrial television. That&#8217;s the point I was making.</p>
<p>Comedy obviously polarises opinion. I find Roy Chubby Brown an obnoxious and unfunny man too, peddling infantile humour but &#8211; and this is an important but &#8211; he didn&#8217;t get a primetime slot on the BBC (even they aren&#8217;t <em>that</em> out of touch). However, some people obviously do find him funny, otherwise Royston Vasey wouldn&#8217;t have a career. Equally so, Little Miss Jocelyn must have a lot of followers: I&#8217;m not one of them.</p>
<p>Of course, no-one is really interested in my opinion, and I do have nice things to say, but not about things that I feel have wasted my time: watching a comedy show that isn&#8217;t funny (for me) being one of those things.</p>
<p>ITs not an attack on people who do find her funny, or even Jocelyn herself: I&#8217;m merely criticising, in the very truest sense of the word, this show.</p>
<p>Given that the BBC is uniquely funded I feel entitled to take  this sort of stance: we all feel we have a right to comment on BBC programming because of the licence fee.</p>
<p>In any case, I won&#8217;t shut the fuck up, but thank you for the suggestion.</p>
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